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will america fall over the fiscal cliff? grover norquist, possible public enemy number one to the public, takes on robert reish after the break. let's say you want to get ahead in your career. how do you get from here... to here? at university of phoenix we're moving career planning forward so you can start figuring that out sooner. ln fact, by thinking about where want your education to lead, while you're still in school, you might find the best route... leads somewhere you weren't even looking. let's get to work. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich a
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. >>> the world is finally paying attention to the fiscal cliff. ufr known about the economic storm of our own making for months now. this is "your money." i wasn't waiting for the elections to end to focus on this major threat to the economy. i wish others had. it would have given us more time to fix this major problem. now there is a focus on one thing and one dangerous man, a man who's not elected, who's never run for office, and is standing in the way of a potential economic disaster. he's been called a kingmaker, a patri patriot, and the ideological godfather of the tea party. since the mid 80s, grover norquist has been the driving force behind the anti-tax movement. his goal, to take big government and in his words, drown it in the bathtub. norquist's weapon is the taxpayer protection pledge which was at one point signed by 95% of gop members of congress. raise your hand if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes. >> on the campaign trail this year, only one republican presidential conditioned date, john huntsman, dared to cross him. nor
. >>> the world is finally paying attention to the fiscal cliff. ufr known about the economic storm of our own making for months now. this is "your money." i wasn't waiting for the elections to end to focus on this major threat to the economy. i wish others had. it would have given us more time to fix this major problem. now there is a focus on one thing and one dangerous man, a man who's not elected, who's never run for office, and is standing in the way of a potential...
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washington has to do a lot to avoid the fiscal cliff
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the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional research service. who is it really helping in the most recent irs tax data show 41 million people claim this deduction on their 2010 taxes, but the tax policy center points out it tends to benefit upper middle class families the most. for those with annual incomes of less than $40,000 a year, the average tax savings is just 91 bucks. for the people earning $250,000 a year, the annual tax savings runs about $5,500, and critics say it's not really helping to boost homeownership. going to talk to one of them in a moment. the homeownership rate in the u.s. is now about 65%. it was up near 70% during the housing boom in 2005 and 2006. now we're back to levels we last saw in the 1990s. yes, the great recession is partly to blame, but the fact is
the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional research service. who is it really helping in the most recent irs tax data show 41 million people claim this deduction on their 2010 taxes, but...
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has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think tom coburn thinks it's going to happen. i wanted to play a bite from him and get your reaction. here he is. >> sure. >> i'm okay to compromise even on some of my issues, if, in fact, we'll solve the problem. but what we have is a game being played for political -- for the extreme right wing and the extreme left win rather than coming together and leading and solving the problem. >> so grover norquist. if you had to accept the tax rates would go up, all right, just they're going to go up and they're going to go up on somebody. what would you re
has nothing to do with the fiscal cliff. but it has everything to do with obamacare. >> now, it is true that a lot of those taxes did take place after the election. that's something we pointed out and is a fair point. but let me just ask you about the compromise we have to go to. because like i said, again, to get this done, taxes are -- i mean, they're going to go up on somebody. i just believe that this is what is going to happen. i think tom cole thinks it's going to happen. i think...
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cliff now and they're calling it the fiscal cliff because they don't want to e embrace either the tax increases or spending cuts and i think it's foolish to think this congress can come up with a better deal. >> you know what's interesting, to eric's point, there is a great irony in this that the democrats are saying we've got to raise taxes and the fiscal cliff does both. just not in the way anybody wants it, so if they can't do that, how are they going to find a way they can all agree on? >> the superfailed committee. this is a giant hatchet as opposed to a scalpel. >> it was designed to fail. >> i agree, but the real solution and real irony is going to be the ultimate deal's going to look like the obama boehner grand bargain that was negotiated and almost done in the summer of 2011. the fact that we couldn't make that deal then i think's a tragedy for the country. one of the thing's it did was lead to that aaa downgrading. that was unnecessary. >> let me just follow up on this point of what republicans should accept. you said you'd go back to the clinton era tax rates if you could
cliff now and they're calling it the fiscal cliff because they don't want to e embrace either the tax increases or spending cuts and i think it's foolish to think this congress can come up with a better deal. >> you know what's interesting, to eric's point, there is a great irony in this that the democrats are saying we've got to raise taxes and the fiscal cliff does both. just not in the way anybody wants it, so if they can't do that, how are they going to find a way they can all agree...
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congress designed the fiscal cliff. i think probably senator thune from south dakota is making the most sense last night saying maybe we should kick the can down the road for six months instead of trying to rush it i'm not a fan of kicking the can down the road, that's what congress does. in this case, you have everyone scrambling, trying to examine the ramifications of the election. you have new people coming in. some of the people voting were thrown out of congress. why not wait until the 1st of the year. >> kicking the can, you look at markets today. you have global markets up. stock futures are up. the stock market was up yesterday because this whole idea of optimism from john boehner and the president that this could get done by the end of the year is something the world wants to see. you look at our polling. our polling shows, and the most recent poll from abc news/"washington post," 60% of people support raising tacks on incomes over $250,000 per year. isn't the argument of kicking the can down the road losing so
congress designed the fiscal cliff. i think probably senator thune from south dakota is making the most sense last night saying maybe we should kick the can down the road for six months instead of trying to rush it i'm not a fan of kicking the can down the road, that's what congress does. in this case, you have everyone scrambling, trying to examine the ramifications of the election. you have new people coming in. some of the people voting were thrown out of congress. why not wait until the 1st...
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we'll go off the fiscal cliff, down the fiscal slope. yes i think it will happen because it is the one way republicans can, without violating the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even conceivable you negotiate down the top rates in the level under bill clinton a little bit by putting in the pot offsetting deductions for credits which would allow republicans to claim some sort of victory as well. that could be a scenario where you have a consensus on the tax run. >> let's run all of this by representative xavier becerra of california. he's joining us now. nice to see you, sir 367 appreciate your time. what is really the white house dismiss kind of out of hand i mean i don't have the exact number of minutes that they had this republican proposa
we'll go off the fiscal cliff, down the fiscal slope. yes i think it will happen because it is the one way republicans can, without violating the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even...
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what's next for the fiscal cliff debate? republicans are furious and president obama drawing a red line over middle class taxes. want to bring in steven moore with "the wall street journal." so, hello, sir. >> hi. >> let me show you, here is his new book on taxes and wealth in america. you wrote an opinion piece, steven, saying democrats only want one thing, higher taxes. you say democrats probably won't offer any serious spending cuts. why do you think that? there's no compromise in sight here? >> i just don't see it. you know, don, i was thinking a couple of weeks ago they would certainly reach an agreement, we wouldn't fall off the fiscal cliff, that people's taxes wouldn't go up in january. but now i'm not so certain about that. as you look at the negotiations so far and, look, my sources are on the republican side of the aisle, but what they're saying to me is this president doesn't want to deal from us, he want a surrender from us. so far what has been offered as jessica said has really been, you know, poison to the re
what's next for the fiscal cliff debate? republicans are furious and president obama drawing a red line over middle class taxes. want to bring in steven moore with "the wall street journal." so, hello, sir. >> hi. >> let me show you, here is his new book on taxes and wealth in america. you wrote an opinion piece, steven, saying democrats only want one thing, higher taxes. you say democrats probably won't offer any serious spending cuts. why do you think that? there's no...
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who will blink first on the fiscal cliff? not the obama administration as timothy geithner told cnbc, bring it on. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> taxpayers might think that's easy for geithner to say. what about all those middle class families whose tax will go up more than $2,000 if, as geithner suggests, we take a dive off that cliff? even though president obama and john boehner chatted on the phone, there's still no deal. republicans are not amused. >> incredibly, many top democrats, including the president, seem perfectly happy. perfectly happy to go off the cliff. that's why the president has been more interested in campaign rallies than actually negotiating a deal. >> many americans don't have much hope the two side also come up with a deal. they've moved on already to plan b. the retired teacher in utah has put off plans to get a new car. brian chandler,
who will blink first on the fiscal cliff? not the obama administration as timothy geithner told cnbc, bring it on. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> taxpayers might think that's easy for geithner to say. what about all those middle class families whose tax will go up more than $2,000 if, as geithner suggests, we...
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fiscal cliff, amazement and dismay. i've heard it again and again. >> toes are the two words i focused on, amazement and dismay, and my question comes is he making any changes for fedex? >> companies need clarity. and even in the third quarter gdp report you can see that companies holding back on computer purchases, on equipment purchases, because they don't know what's going to happen next year. if there's going to be a recession or not. can i tell you, not to know whether you're going to have a recession is such an uncertainty for your families. christmas spending. how do you do holiday spending if you don't know what kind of tax refund you're going to get? congress is in a sticky spot here. the mood was pretty grim in washington yesterday when i was there for that interview. a lot of folks were saying they're not making plans for the holidays. washington insiders. because they think that they're going to be doing this down to the very last minute. >> i know you were dismayed saying that typically behind the scenes, a
fiscal cliff, amazement and dismay. i've heard it again and again. >> toes are the two words i focused on, amazement and dismay, and my question comes is he making any changes for fedex? >> companies need clarity. and even in the third quarter gdp report you can see that companies holding back on computer purchases, on equipment purchases, because they don't know what's going to happen next year. if there's going to be a recession or not. can i tell you, not to know whether you're...
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he is pushing his plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. is he standing firm on raising taxes for the wealthiest americans. want to bring in our chief white house correspondent jessica yell toin give us a breakdown of exactly what he has put on the table here because we know that both sides, they start off strong. they start off with the best offer they got, the strongest offer they got, and clearly, the republicans not quite happy about it. what is he offering? >> it's sort of a starting position from the white house. what secretary geithner laid out when he was visiting capitol hill yesterday was the headline $1.6 trillion in new taxes as part of their overall vision to increase those taxes for people making $250,000 more, but that also includes some changes to how much people can deduct, closing loopholes. increasing taxes for dividends and capital gains and some other things. then some other aspects of the wish list from the president. $50 billion in new stimulus spending next year, and then in return they would find $400 billion in cut
he is pushing his plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. is he standing firm on raising taxes for the wealthiest americans. want to bring in our chief white house correspondent jessica yell toin give us a breakdown of exactly what he has put on the table here because we know that both sides, they start off strong. they start off with the best offer they got, the strongest offer they got, and clearly, the republicans not quite happy about it. what is he offering? >> it's sort of a starting...
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the jersey shore about to meet the fiscal cliff. grim news for governor christie as he visits washington. >>> plus the controversial place to store your text messages. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. without freshly-made pasta. you could also cut corners by making it without 100% real cheddar cheese. but then...it wouldn't be stouffer's mac & cheese. just one of over 70 satisfying recipes for one from stouff
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let's get to the fiscal cliff. the president set the deal, over the next decade. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, i think one compromise i agree with the democrats on, we need to cut the military spending. so i think the compromise, the conservatives like myself that think the national defense is important, should compromise on the military spending, and liberals should compromise on the welfare. >> and both sides are going to have to compromise on this, beyond defense spending is there any other compromise that you could see you supporting? >> well, it mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp, we're now spending 25% of gdp. so federal spending has gone up in an alarming rate in the last four years. and when people come to me and say oh, we just have to raise taxes on rich people. one, there is not enough money. and two, you often find when you raise rates you get less revenue. and sometimes you find when you lower rates you get more revenue. >> what do you mak
let's get to the fiscal cliff. the president set the deal, over the next decade. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, i think one compromise i agree with the democrats on, we need to cut the military spending. so i think the compromise, the conservatives like myself that think the national defense is important, should compromise on the military spending, and liberals should compromise on the welfare. >> and both sides...
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as referred to as the fiscal cliff. and when it comes to doing something to avoid it, house speaker john boehner bluntly told reporters today, there is a stalemate. for his part, president obama is trying to break that stalemate by asking voters to put more pressure on the republicans. cnn chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and chief political correspondent gloria borger join us right now. gloria, guess i'll start with you. does the president have any leverage? >> he has a lot of leverage right now. i mean, if you look back to the debt ceiling in the summer of 2011, you recall the president was accused of negotiating with himself because it was sort of a time of weakness for him. right now, look, joe, he's just won re-election. 67% of the american public according to our polls believes that there should be a deal that contains a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. more than half of the american public says, you know what, we'd like the taxes on the wealthy to go up. so he does have public opinion
as referred to as the fiscal cliff. and when it comes to doing something to avoid it, house speaker john boehner bluntly told reporters today, there is a stalemate. for his part, president obama is trying to break that stalemate by asking voters to put more pressure on the republicans. cnn chief white house correspondent jessica yellin and chief political correspondent gloria borger join us right now. gloria, guess i'll start with you. does the president have any leverage? >> he has a lot...
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by week's end, fiscal cliff talks were at a standstill. it was all doom and gloom and, they're not serious, what's wrong? we hate them again. let's bring in our body language expert, susan constantine, to help us. we want to start with house speaker, john boehner. he was saying on wednesday he was optimistic about a deal. >> republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> very next day, boehner is suddenly grim, talks having accomplished a thing. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaign-style rallies and leaks in the press are not the way to get things done here in washington. >> all right. susan, you're looking at the monitor and looking at his body langua
by week's end, fiscal cliff talks were at a standstill. it was all doom and gloom and, they're not serious, what's wrong? we hate them again. let's bring in our body language expert, susan constantine, to help us. we want to start with house speaker, john boehner. he was saying on wednesday he was optimistic about a deal. >> republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. optimistic that we can continue to...
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let's get to the so-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, one compromise i can agree with democrats on, we need to cut military spending. so i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think national defense is very important should compromise on military spending and liberals should compromise on entitlements and social welfare spending, that compromise should get to spending cuts. >> here is the question, though. both sides are going to have to compromise, beyond defense spending, any other compromise you could see you supporting? >> mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp. now spending 25% of gdp. federal spending has gone up at an alarming rate in the last four years. people come to me and said say we have to raise taxes on rich people. one there, is not enough money. two, when you raise rates, you get le
let's get to the so-called fiscal cliff. the president has set a goal. $4 trillion in debt reduction over the next decade. are there any specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, one compromise i can agree with democrats on, we need to cut military spending. so i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think national defense is very important should compromise on military spending and liberals should compromise on entitlements...
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let's get to this fiscal cliff. the president set a goal of $4 trillion in debt reduction. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know i think one compromise i can agree with democrats on is that we need to cut some military spending. i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think that national defense is important, should cut on military spending, and cut on some social welfare spending. i think that compromise could get the spending cuts. >> here is the question, both sides are going to have to compromise beyond defense spending. is there anything you see supporting? >> mostly has to be on the spending side. we used to spend 20% of gdp. we're now spending 25% of gdp. federal spending has gone up at an alarming rate in the past four years. and when people say we have to raise taxes on rich people, one there is not enough money and you often find when you get rai to raising rates, you get less revenue. and when you lower rates you get more revenue. >> what do you make of tom cole's proposal that republica
let's get to this fiscal cliff. the president set a goal of $4 trillion in debt reduction. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know i think one compromise i can agree with democrats on is that we need to cut some military spending. i think the compromise is conservatives like myself who think that national defense is important, should cut on military spending, and cut on some social welfare spending. i think that compromise could...
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the fiscal cliff. guess what, the white house rejected it, calling the gop proposal unbalanced and not serious. translation? no tax hikes on the wealthy so democrats said forget about it. we thought you should take a look. it totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. the part that stood out to us was $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms. how? in part by raising the age of eligibility to 65 to maybe 67. turning down the gop proposal, dan pfieffer said, quote, it provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve." let's head now to the white house and dan lothian. the white house will not offer a counter proposal, right? what's going on here? >> reporter: well, you know, i think the white house is digging in. the president said early on in this process that he would only sit down and really move forward, negotiate on this in any meaningful way if the tax hikes for the wealthy expired.
the fiscal cliff. guess what, the white house rejected it, calling the gop proposal unbalanced and not serious. translation? no tax hikes on the wealthy so democrats said forget about it. we thought you should take a look. it totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. the part that stood out to us was $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms. how? in part by raising the age of eligibility to 65 to maybe 67. turning down the gop proposal, dan pfieffer said, quote, it...
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fiscal cliff, 26 days away. christine romans explains how going over the cliff could affect you and your family. >> reporter: brooke, here's what the sequester could mean for domestic programs. fewer women and children with assistance and child care aid. cuts to education nearly 100,000 head start spots at risk. more than 25,000 teachers and teachers aids could lose their jobs and science and public research grants could be cut including in to cancer and childhood diseases. fewer americans could receive drug abuse treatment and $700 million slashed from the epa budget. cutting back of food inspection. disaster relief, omb says, quote, the federal emergency management administration's ability to respond would be undermined. and finally, from border patrol to hiring new fbi agents, correction officers, federal prosecutors, all could be scaled back. now, all of these cuts, brooke, don't happen exactly at 12:01 a.m. on january 2nd. they happen over the course of a year. but agencies are preparing for an impasse in w
fiscal cliff, 26 days away. christine romans explains how going over the cliff could affect you and your family. >> reporter: brooke, here's what the sequester could mean for domestic programs. fewer women and children with assistance and child care aid. cuts to education nearly 100,000 head start spots at risk. more than 25,000 teachers and teachers aids could lose their jobs and science and public research grants could be cut including in to cancer and childhood diseases. fewer...
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we've had sandy, and we have all of this debate going on over the fiscal cliff, that's driving us all crazy, right? >> yes, it is. >> and what it's also doing is that it has gotten the corporate seblgtor in a position where they're not vin investing. they're waiting to see what's happening. nonetheless, we're still creating jobs. if you take into consideration the fact that we have those things, those neglect factors in at the same time regenerating jobs, and that means that there's a significant potential for the economy to grow. >> is it possible that this whole debate and the fiscal cliff, whether or not we go over it or not, would bakt how many people are working the next year? >> it will definitely impact, but i think what the numbers are telling us and what we've seen for the last couple of months is that the affect will not be as great as most people are predicting. you know, we kind of got this y2k kifr syndrome that's going on. it will certainly have an affect, but it also means that we can -- we're in a position to really craft a real comprehensive way to -- >> are these goo
we've had sandy, and we have all of this debate going on over the fiscal cliff, that's driving us all crazy, right? >> yes, it is. >> and what it's also doing is that it has gotten the corporate seblgtor in a position where they're not vin investing. they're waiting to see what's happening. nonetheless, we're still creating jobs. if you take into consideration the fact that we have those things, those neglect factors in at the same time regenerating jobs, and that means that there's...